bill clinton? who changed the rates again? george bush. they try to change the conversation by talking about revenue, you poor unwatched people don't understand the difference between rates and revenues. >> nina, bring us altogether please >> with a number of lobobbyists and the super pacs morphing into lobbyists, it will take quite some time, if it ever happens. we have to make that deal now and everybody understands that there is not some magic bullet. you have to d all. you have to raise revenue and you have to -- >> that is simply not true. >> it is troupe. it is if youou believeve at t this point. >> the simpson-bowles comommission said that every year you have $1.10 trillion, every year, in tax expditures >> and you get rid of the mortgage on the charity, right >> no, you cap it. you tell me that you cannot get $1rillion out of that? >> you won't take my life. you won't take our future. aids affects us all. even babies. chevron is working to stop mother-to-child transmission. our employees and their families are part of the fight. an